Specifically, did you join UH because 1945 requested it, or did they justify your presence after you joined?
I'm personally skeptical about what kind of legitimate espionage activity includes writing programs for the hunters. It seems more likely to me that 1945 retroactively authorized your presence in anti farm war groups.
They justified my presence, I was present in UH (inactive , you can confirm the activity) when i was farming in G , later when we shut it off and when we migrated to 1945 , The admins of 1945 requested me to leave the hunting bands since it was a potential threat , i gave them a sole reason for staying there due to some admin chat's and once the backup of that chat has been taken lately. Shavy asked me to leave the hunting bands (since it served no purpose) i applied straight into appeals , this is what villian was referring to…
1945 never encouraged my presence in United Hunters , it was my request to 1945 admins for the chat backup…Which they agreed for a certain period of time
Since 1945 never requested your presence in UH, I really don't think 1945 justifying your presence does any good for you in the context of this appeal. Sync stalking is sync stalking, no matter which league it's directed at.
Just because 1945 is not worried about it, doesn't mean we shouldn't be worried about it. Leagues, after all, have a different incentives than collaborative groups of leagues.
I think it's reasonable to say there isn't a consensus here. So, I'm calling a 72h vote to conclude this appeal.
Do u have any other accounts in any UH clans?
Nope…I have only a single account
Ban should stay, If his ban is removed it's just going to reflect that we have no values. He has been in sync stalking groups...
I vote for keep
I agree with Anubhav, the ban should stay.
There shouldn't have been so long discussion at all. It's clear cut Deny and his ban must stay but i can see 1945 is supporting Darahass for their own interests which is kinda disappointing. All it shows is 1945 doesn't care for any other league itself.
I can predict how this will go. 1945 will vote for remove
OL will vote for Remove whether they want or not since they use Shavy's bot.
GFL will be standing here alone without the other two league caring for what he has done against GFL and what his UH was doing and yet doing. If his ban is removed, It will just mean that this appeal is worse than other appeal because FWA appeal still had their set of rules which they abide in all costs and this appeal sounds more like egoistic to meet individual interests. GFL should just start dishonouring this appeals decision and also Bans/Flags since the other leagues doesn't want to honour GFL's interest.
Really, Appeals during FWA actually had policy and was still fair to an extent.
Waiting to see what lame excuses the voters bring here.
Is it? Don't think so. This shouldn't have taken this long in the first place. @Darahaas accepted he was part of United Hunters, What would be the fair thing to do in your opinion?
Ask Darahass to wait for another few months and keep his ban? Right?
This doesn't seem to happening in this case.
Anyways, I have said what i should have and we both know i ain't wrong here. Apparently if i was wrong, You would have proved me wrong with your words - That's something i know about you. You finished your sentence in some words which acknowledges my claim that this case is going end up being unfair and contradictory to the claims made against FWA.
Kirito Is it? Don't think so. This shouldn't have taken this long in the first place.
This is a tangent, but, even if it shouldn't have taken this long, that doesn't mean it taking this long justifies breaking agreements.
Kirito this case is going end up being unfair and contradictory to the claims made against FWA
If you have a fairness complaint about how we conduct appeals, feel free to make it in a separate post. But, "do what is fair" is not itself policy, it's the goal of policy. Different people can think different things are fair, and that's what causes most trouble in collaborative spaces
Kirito this appeal sounds more like egoistic to meet individual interests
All appeals are meant to consider the individual who is banned, so I don't understand how this means it's unfair. Whether or not we want to give Darahaas any individual consideration for the things he has mentioned is the very topic we're discussing.
kuilin All appeals are meant to consider the individual who is banned, so I don't understand how this means it's unfair. Whether or not we want to give Darahaas any individual consideration for the things
I'll come to it when the appeal is ended
kuilin If you have a fairness complaint about how we conduct appeals, feel free to make it in a separate post. But, "do what is fair" is not itself policy, it's the goal of policy. Different people can think different things are fair, and that's what causes most trouble in collaborative space
I have already plans regarding it. Let's see how this one goes but i did say the facts that nobody really cares for GFL interests.
Kirito Isn't exactly
*>I agree that Shavy has given his bot and I will be grateful to him for the bot.
But lately it isn't true that we will give judgement in favor of shavy because he helps us
*>I have already denied (From my side not OL) not to remove his blacklist whether it is acceptable or not.
and if it is about policy then i will follow eye view and other given statements.
*>If Shavy has any personal intention behind the bot, I don't know, but so far Shavy hasn't asked us to decide in his favor, we can be free to have the right to decide. Whether it is acceptable by others or not, I am discussing here objectively
I respect all alliances and their rules but we will not do anything that is not practically fair,
we'll clean it up today, Thanks
As a GFL admin i will vote to keep his ban he was given a chance before but still he turned over and hunt GFL/BZLM leagues again so for me is keep his ban up
Kirito All it shows is 1945 doesn't care for any other league itself.
All know who was removed from ccns chat for that, lol. But yes we don't care about this ban. We are good for those who are good to us. And for this case, Darahaas will stay as 1945 Staff till he wants/ he is true to us
Kirito OL will vote for Remove whether they want or not since they use Shavy's bot.
For that way, are you on the kuilin side to keep the ban, because GFL relay on kuilin for tech stuff? You are insensible here.
Kirito Really, Appeals during FWA actually had policy and was still fair to an extent.
GFL can go with them if they want. Non of the 1945 admin forced GFL to come here. But lol you were removed I forgot opps.
Shavy All know who was removed from ccns chat for that, lol.
Yeah i was, so what? Have you forgot how you left FWA because you couldn't become Admin?
Lets dig into your history? Right?
After leaving FWA you went to FWL 1945 where you joined as Helper and Left 1945 when you got Admin in OLFD
You stayed in OLFD for a while then plotted against OL head and tried to take over and recieved a kick from OLFD i hope you remember it lol.
Then you joined 1945 Again ugh, sucks to be you. Power hungry brat.
Lets dig into how you came into making this ClashPanda bot. I won't remind you with whose codes you started but the partner you had (NS)
You used his code, cheated him.
That's kinda cheater you are!!!! Not to mention how you scammed Kaos's clan.
That's why nobody trusts you.
I know everything about you Shavy.
Shavy GFL can go with them if they want. Non of the 1945 admin forced GFL to come here. But lol you were removed I forgot opps.
And I don't represent GFL since you know i was kicked from CCNS.
For the record, GFL never kicked me. I left on my own free will and I'm welcomed to join back whenever i want. I made a mistake which i regret and i left. You have copyrighted the kick part for yourself 
Thanks, you made my day. You must be a so good clown
Kirito I know everything about you Shavy.
Well lol you don't. You know what rumors were made and what was public. I left after my account was hacked but yea I accept that i was angry at the fwa decision for Indian admins. I always says All FWA old staff knows what fwa do to them.
Kirito After leaving FWA you went to FWL 1945 where you joined as Helper and Left 1945 when you got Admin in OLFD
FWL didn't had work those days and so i left from there because i wanted to be active on band again. And btw kuilin knows what happened between me and suzy. Also i wasn't made admin the day i joined. I joined as helper.
Kirito Lets dig into how you came into making this ClashPanda bot. I won't remind you with whose codes you started but the partner you had (NS)
well well, we both coded it. Who gave the source code for old bot? Didnt ns told you he wasn't able to make it from 4 months before we did together.
Kirito That's kinda cheater you are!!!! Not to mention how you scammed Kaos's clan.
War Farmers 14 is my originally. I made kaos leader for a week but i got a bad day i took back.
Kirito That's why nobody trusts you.
Well some people do that's why i am here. If you want me to say then can you put why was your cc access was removed? Oh i know why. You are not clean as you think.
You are smart as bait. Anyway, i will not say more, I just put what exactly was and I don't care what people think or what they know. I am good at myself and my league. Hope you handle your league well. A clown thinks others are clown i would surely like to see the show haha.
My last reply on this convo back to topic of darahaas. Darahaas will be in 1945 all till he want to farm.
They aren't rumours. That's the fact. I have my own valid sources 
You can't prove me wrong so you are portraying it as rumour.
The source code was stolen
Then from those stolen codes NS made bot. Everybody knows you always said that you were just hosting the bot. Never you said that you helped him until you betrayed him and used his codes. After that you started acting that you made it
DONT LIE!
Anyways, I'm sorry if me spilling your truth here hurt you in any manner. I wouldn't bring your personal stuffs you did earlier right now but you brought my old doing.
Anyway a thief remains a thief. And since you made it clear that whether ban stays, you will keep Darahas just displays how committed you are towards the split or should i say that it was intended to do so you could make a whole controversy and spoil Kuilin's and FWA's relations?
Even if i keep that aside, if you aren't going to honour what majority decides and everyone starts doing the same then what would be the purpose of the split in first place? I'm just here as a member, my words about what GFL should do is my opinion not GFL's decision but your words represents 1945's take on it.
This means you disrespected kuilin's efforts and the split. What's the purpose of the forum, Just should have done whatever you were doing earlier?
I don't understand the logic behind all the fightings. All i can smell now is conspiracy 
